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jonc · Joined: 21 Sep 2010 Posts: 584 Location: Cheshire, UK

Excellent! Looks like the engine mount is JLM1010 - can you confirm?

I think the rear light lenses were specific to this car. From the handbook:

Side/flasher lamp
front R.H. Vega 9726Z
front L.H. Vega 9725Y

Tail/stop/flasher/rear fog/reverse lamp
rear L.H. Vega 9679K
rear R.H. Vega 9678J

So - Vega? I found a Vega Controls Ltd and hoped to get some clues, but here was the response:

Sorry, but unfortunately we cannot quote as we do not manufacture the items you have requested.

We have never been involved in the automotive industry manufacturing lighting components.

Apologies again,

Best Regards,

Doug Anderson
Marketing Manager
VEGA Controls Ltd

So.. no clues so far..

Jonathan

AML_Canada · Joined: 22 Jul 2011 Posts: 15

Yes, confirmed, that's the same part.

Interesting about the lenses. It's one of those things that has always driven me crazy. I just can't believe AML would have spent the money to get injection molds made for these. The search continues.... Smile

Vrije · Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 440

Interesting about the lenses. It's one of those things that has always driven me crazy. I just can't believe AML would have spent the money to get injection molds made for these. The search continues....

Been working on my rearlights lately, turns out there are even two different
casts!! not meaning left and right and colors

Harry

Vincent · Joined: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 1055 Location: Belgium

The manufacturer for the lenses was VAP and based in UK ( e11 ).

Now in bankrupcy or so ? Nothing on Google about VAP...
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AML_Canada · Joined: 22 Jul 2011 Posts: 15

Does anyone know if these VAP lenses were used on other vehicles? That could be a good source.

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Vrije · Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 440

yup got them from VAP, And a set of blancs with just some E #s

Vrije · Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 440

Detail of lenses VAP and R-S

jonc · Joined: 21 Sep 2010 Posts: 584 Location: Cheshire, UK

Interesting there were two sources.

Yes, I agree now that it is very unlikely they were specific to this car - AML have a history of using other makes for lights with very few exceptions until the higher volume modern cars.

On eBay UK there are two VAP manufactured lenses. One is Morris Ital:

"MORRIS ITAL SALOON REAR LAMP LENS ASSEMBLY (VAP MARK) LH REAR - ROVER BAU1913"

and the other is a fog lamp for mounting below the rear bumper:

"VAP 14cm x 7cm Rear Fog Lamp 1980's Vintage Unused E11 0013 A7324 Fits All Cars"

So - they made for another UK car maker. The Ital was made from 1980 to 84 but the advert says it was only fitted to a particular chassis number range within that. The fog lamp is listed as aftermarket, but I don't think it is, based on the bracket and connectors.

No luck with any further info from the seller, the Marina Owners forum, or my trademark attorney yet..

Vincent · Joined: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 1055 Location: Belgium

I'm nearly sure the rear lenses ( E11= UK european code ) were fitted on buses...

Another subject : front lights. On early cars ( up to 13209 ) they are same as on ALPINE A310 ( now out of stock and even with a proposal of rebuild - on ALPINE FORUM - of about 200 pairs, VALEO/CIBIE refused to go on....)
I don't know what is the suitability of front light with other cars (from 13210 ), but as sealed beams were fitted on US cars, the donor car ( or light truck ) was available on the US market.

On S4, the front lights are same as on Nissan 200SX, and the front foglamps are Hella ones fitted on contemporary VW PASSAT.
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Vincent · Joined: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 1055 Location: Belgium

I sourced the front headlamps from 13372 TO S4 but only as sealed beams (US market). I have to check on non-US cars if they can fit.
Source : RENAULT FUEGO US market & JEEP CHEROKEE !
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jonc · Joined: 21 Sep 2010 Posts: 584 Location: Cheshire, UK

Hi Vincent.

I had it on my list to check into this after I saw them on eBay:

Here we have brand new PAIR OF HEADLIGHTS to fit your JEEP CHEROKEE 1977-2001.
Approx measurements of glass front is 7 x 4.5inch.
THESE ARE GENUINE O/E LAMPS MADE BY CIBI
(WILL NOT FIT GRAND CHEROKEE) 082465

So a cross-reference with 'Valeo 082465' lists:

JEEP CHEROKEE (XJ) (1984/10 - /)
2.5 i 4x4 HX 2469 90 122 4 Closed Off-Road Vehicle 1991/12 - /
4.0 i MX 3964 135 184 6 Closed Off-Road Vehicle 1991/12 - /
4.0 i ERH 3964 136 185 6 Closed Off-Road Vehicle 1988/01 - /
2.1 TD J8S 2068 64 87 4 Closed Off-Road Vehicle 1984/10 - /
2.5 TD ENC 2499 85 116 4 Closed Off-Road Vehicle 1988/01 - /
2.1 TD J8S 2068 59 80 4 Closed Off-Road Vehicle 1989/06 - 1992/03
JEEP WRANGLER ? (YJ, SJ_) (1986/08 - 1996/0 Cool

4.2 6L 4235 84 114 6 Closed Off-Road Vehicle 1986/08 - 1989/08
VAUXHALL MIDI II (1988/06 - /)
2.0 TD 4FC1T 1995 51 69 4 Bus 1988/06 - 1996/02
2.2 D 4FD1 2189 45 61 4 Bus 1990/07 - /
2.0 20PET 1994 62 84 4 Bus 1988/06 - /
2.4 TD 4FG1T 2380 56 76 4 Bus 1994/09 - /
2.4 TD 2380 69 94 4 Bus 1994/10 - 1997/08

As far as I can tell, it takes an H4 bulb?

Vrije · Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 440

sorry, won't fit (these ones are a little bigger)

Vincent · Joined: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 1055 Location: Belgium

The ones which fit are 7' x 6'.
CIBIE BOBI 76.44.05 or 76.44.02
SYLVANIA H6054
Very Happy

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Mitrovic · Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 628